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Thirty Days of Silliness and Scare from the Natural Gas Opposition

A collection of 37 organizations, at least six of which are directly or indirectly funded by the Park Foundation, have developed a program to generate comments on New York State DEC’s proposed new regulations on hydraulic fracturing.  It’s called 30 Days of Fracking Regulations and is an exercise in soapbox scaremongering – a silly one. 

There is always a serious question as to whether one is wise to draw attention to the moves of opponents.  It can simply provide more exposure for them to make their arguments, after all, and many avoid doing so for that reason.  We don’t generally adhere to that philosophy, preferring instead to debunk the poor arguments with facts.  Moreover, when the opposition is making wild claims offending all sense of reason, it only makes sense to put them out front as examples of error.  Such is the case with the “30 Days of Fracking Regulations” campaign intended to encourage comments on New York State DEC’s proposed new natural gas regulations.

This campaign, heavily encouraged by Josh Fox and his Park Foundation funded Gasland initiative (see page 11), has a website where various aspects of the regulations are discussed, accusations are made and suggested comments to DEC are then offered.  That, in itself, is a good technique, if one has the facts to offer, but what we see instead is a series of undocumented assertions, claims and speculation that doesn’t begin to offer meaningful comment usable by anyone.  Additionally, Fox is using his Facebook page to promote the website with daily posters taking public discourse to new lows on each publication.

Let’s look at some of these posters and associated claims:

A Seismic Shift from One Argument to Another


This one (to the left) is intended to demagogue the natural gas issue with residents of the Big Apple, for example.  The message accompanying the image is as follows:

What’s wrong with today’s reg? EVERYTHING: An inadequate protection on a sacred watershed, unequal protections between upstate and downstate, and old leaky aqueducts that can be fracked around or under, risking catastrophic collapse. These are just other FRACKING PROBLEMS.

This appeal to fear is combined with a link to the 30 Days of Fracking Regulations website page for the day, which cites the proposed DEC regulations and proceeds to outline a basis for comments.  It’s well-written, but engages in a much more subtle form of demagoguery.  It is suggests, for example, two lines of attack; one for downstaters and one for upstaters.  If you’re a downstater you are supposed to allege the prohibition of natural gas development in the New York City water supply reservoir watersheds or within 4,000 feet of them (the watershed, not just the reservoir) is wholly inadequate and threatens disaster.  If you’re an upstater, though, you’re told to raise the issue of why New York City is protected and you’re not.  The dichotomy in this line of reasoning seems not to have occurred to these folks.

They are, of course, trying to say hydraulic fracturing shouldn’t be permitted anywhere and no DEC standard will meet their standard.  Still, when you admit New York City is getting eight times as much of setback as deemed necessary scientifically in, not only the rest of New York State, but virtually anywhere else in the U.S. and then complain about it being inadequate, you don’t come off especially well.  You look downright silly, in fact.

What’s interesting about this page and every page of the website is that it never provides a link to the full regulations.  The authors only pull out selected parts to make their case, such as it is.  That’s convenient, because Section 750-3.5(c)(1) states the following:

the top of the target fracture zone, at any point along any part of the proposed length of the wellbore, for HVHF must be deeper than 2,000 feet below the ground surface and must be deeper than 1,000 feet below the base of a known freshwater supply

This means any fracturing taking place within 4,000 feet of any reservoir watershed or near water supply infrastructure outside the watershed will also take place a little less than one-half mile below the surface.  We know given the depth of the Marcellus Shale in productive areas, this distance is, as a practical matter, almost certain to exceed a full mile.  There is simply no geophysical basis for concluding there’s a threat to New York City’s water supply system (see our earlier piece on this subject), yet we get a specter of doom from Fox and company.

Science Is A Matter of Investigation, Not Resolution

149736_375194642577672_904001379_nThe December 18 edition of 30 Days of Fracking Regulation included a resolution from the well-regarded Basset Healthcare Network stating the following:

We hereby resolve that the hydrofracking method of gas drilling constitutes an unacceptable threat to the health of our patients, and should be prohibited until such time as it is proven to be safe. We resolve as well that the authority of the Environmental Protection Agency over all such activities should be restored.

This was trumpeted as evidence of health impacts, but the resolution included not one fact or piece of supporting evidence, just a declaration Bassett willed itself to believe.  The institution simultaneously made statements that were demonstrably not true, beginning with the notion EPA ever regulated hydraulic fracturing.  It didn’t.  Likewise, Bassett’s contention “contamination of ground water … has already been demonstrated in numerous locales with similar geology, such as Pennsylvania” is untrue.  There is no instance in Pennsylvania or or elsewhere in the U.S. where groundwater has been contaminated by hydraulic fracturing.

Nevertheless, this is all beside the point.  The real issue is this; science is a matter of investigation, not the resolution of some political or institutional entity.  It’s also worth noting the New York Times, reveals the New York State Department of Health has actually investigated and assembled a report indicating hydraulic fracturing can be done safely. That report states the following in fact (in separate sections with emphasis added):

By implementing the proposed mitigation measures included in the Supplemental GElS, the Department expects that human chemical exposures during normal HVHF operations will be prevented or reduced below levels of significant health concern.  Thus, significant adverse impacts on human health are not expected from routine HVHF operations.  When spills or accidents occur, the Department has identified numerous additional mitigation measures, including emergency-response planning, setbacks and buffers, so that significant exposures to people and resources on which they rely are unlikely.

Existing and proposed mitigation measures designed to minimize and human health impacts from exposure to NORM are identified and discussed in detail in section 7.7 [of the SGEIS].  With those measures in place, potential significant adverse impacts on human health from NORM exposure are unlikely.

With the proposed mitigation measures in place, human exposure levels to HVHF-related air contaminants would be reduced below established health-based standards or guidelines.

So, this Bassett can howl at the moon all it wants and pass all the resolutions it wants, but the Department of Health, after reviewing the science, says hydraulic fracturing is safe.  And, it didn’t take a vote to decide the science.  It investigated.

No More Burbling, Please!

545201_583262998357236_1119021595_nWhen we saw a reference to “fracking fluid that continues to burble up from the hole after the well is attached to a pipeline and is producing gas” in yesterday’s edition of 30 Days of Fracking Regulations, we pulled a dictionary to learn more about the word “burble” and here’s what we found (emphasis added):

1. To speak at length but with little meaning or purpose.

2. Said of a stream, etc: to make a bubbling murmuring sound.

3. To say something in a way that is hard to understand, especially very quickly or incoherently.

While we realized the author of that post intended something along the lines of No. 2, as it wasn’t quite the right word, it did strike us that No. 1 and No. 3 almost perfectly describe the post, the series and much of what we see coming from the natural gas opposition as a whole.  This post, in particular, is a rambling, incoherent complaint that implies natural gas operators just dump stuff wherever they’d like and the analogy with pizza deliveries is hardly compelling.

Once again, however, it is the big point that is being lost in this burbling diatribe, for the flowback and produced water isn’t being dumped at all, given today’s technology and best management practices.  It isn’t being injected underground as waste either.   Nor is it being treated and discharged into streams.  No, it’s being recycled, after some treatment, to fracture new wells.  Several companies are either at or near recycling 100% of their hydraulic fracturing water, reducing draws on fresh water sources and mitigating other impacts as well.  This story, of course, doesn’t fit the natural gas opposition template of scare, baby, scare so it gets little attention from the likes of the Catskill Mountainkeeper or other Park funded entities intent on keeping upstate New York available on the cheap for purchase by their wealthy patrons.  But, it happens to be truth, which, in the end, typically prevails over silliness.

Want to See Something Really Scary?

The same sort of observations can be drawn regarding each and every one of the regulation posts and posters associated with this campaign.  It is a shallow set of arguments that generally consist of throwing up a bunch of baseless accusations and fears around the citation of some particular feature of the proposed DEC regulations.   There is no real analysis; just a lot of scaremongering.  There’s something a lot more scary than this, though.  It’s the death of upstate New York from lack of economic lifeblood.  The Southern Tier and Western New York are slowly dying unless something is done to revive the economy.  The answer stands before everyone willing to see it.  It’s natural gas development and we know it can be done safely. Will Governor Cuomo allow residents to seize this opportunity?  Or, will he force them to face something really scary, like economic collapse?

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  • Vera Scroggins
    Posted at 7:36 am, January 04, 2013 Reply

    Why all the scaremongering that the Southern Tier and NY is slowly dying and the only thing to save it is the Savior, called Gas Extraction. Why scare people that you are dying and if dying, why? what’s been going on for years, decades to bring about this death? Haven’t you had all kinds of businesses existing and even thriving? What’s all this talk about death? Now, who’s scaring who? What will you do when the borders of NY don’t open and your job of scaring people into accepting gas drilling as the answer to all their ills becomes null and void? Who funds you? Are you doing this without funding? Who’s behind you? What gas companies and foundations? You like to nullify others about their funding? Do you work for free?

    • Tom Shepstone
      Posted at 7:59 am, January 04, 2013 Reply

      We tell exactly who is behind us, Vera, on our “About” page, unlike the natural gas opposition which is funded behind the Heinz, Park and Rockefeller families from behind a series of curtains.

  • victor furman
    Posted at 12:49 pm, January 04, 2013 Reply

    Vera shouldn’t you as a PA resident be commenting on NY regulations as you were requested to do so by your cult leaders as well as the activist from Afrika (like the k) Saunter Arabia,Venzeuela, Nicarauga, Sweden, and all the other countries that sell oil to the USA. 22,000,000 million people in NYS and you guys have 22,000 signitures against fracking, most of them from out of state and overseas. Now using the web to mess with the NYS comment period and you want to make fracing illeagal (notice no K). If the state closed comments to outsiders there never would have been 60,000 – more like 2,000 from the anti side…. I know Ver”k”a…. you got different numbers yada yadda yaddd but I don’t kare. Stay in PA and clean up that dog doo doo in your yard before someone thinks there is a gas leak

  • fred jones
    Posted at 1:55 pm, January 04, 2013 Reply

    I have to concur with Ms Scroggins here EID. NYS has a thriving economy as a whole. New York is a major agricultural producer, ranking among the top five states for agricultural products such as dairy, apples, cherries, cabbage, potatoes, onions, maple syrup and many others. The state is the largest producer of cabbage in the U.S. New York is the nation’s third-largest grape-producing state, behind California, and second-largest wine producer by volume.The state also has a large manufacturing sector that includes printing and the production of garments, furs, railroad equipment and bus line vehicles. Many of these industries are concentrated in upstate regions.New York exports a wide variety of goods such as foodstuffs, commodities, minerals, computers and electronics, cut diamonds, and automobile parts. In 2007, the state exported a total of $71.1 billion worth of goods, with the five largest foreign export markets being Canada ($15 billion), United Kingdom ($6 billion), Switzerland ($5.9 billion), Israel ($4.9 billion), and Hong Kong ($3.4 billion).New York’s gross state product in 2010 was $1.16 trillion, ranking third in size behind the larger states of California and Texas.[48] If New York were an independent nation, it would rank as the 16th largest economy in the world behind Turkey. YES….NYS has a budget problem, but I’m not convinced NG extraction will make much difference, as we are not PA and the gas deposits they harbor vastly exceed any small ares NY may or may not have.

    With all this noted…….can NG save the Southern Tier or a small part of WNY? Does the Souther Tier need saving? Fortune 500 materials maker Corning Inc. is headquartered in Steuben County. Broome County has a large high-tech industry, and is the birthplace of IBM and flight simulation. In addition, other factories in the region make military aircraft, televisions, furniture, metal forgings and machine tools. The ST is home to a good amount fossil fuel extraction TODAY.Crude oil and oil sands continue to be extracted from Southern Tier wells as they have for over a century. And….one must note, that the western and northern edges of the Southern Tier are known as ski country, and the hilly terrain (that forms a continental divide known as the Chautauqua Ridge) is notorious for frequent and heavy lake effect snow. As a result, Ellicottville has become a “ski town” with both the Holimont and Holiday Valley resorts in the vicinity; the two resorts draw numerous tourists, particularly from Canada. So…….if the ST and WNY are truly “dying”will HVHF save these areas? That depends on three things. One, if HVHF is even allowed. Two, if the NG companies want to drill at all after all the regs are in place and can make a profit (they’re not going to drill out of the kindness of their hearts) and three, where good deposits lay, if any, after test wells are tapped. Even folks here on EID have explained that, many times.

    • fred jones
      Posted at 2:15 pm, January 04, 2013 Reply

      And some interesting stats:

      Three years after the official end of the “Great Recession” in the U.S., the Southern Tier’s economy continues to slowly recover from the lingering effects of the downturn. From 2010 to 2011, the overall private sector job count in the Southern Tier (Broome, Chemung, Chenango, Delaware, Schuyler, Steuben, Tioga and Tompkins counties) increased by nearly 1,200, or 0.6%, to just under 210,000. The three counties in the region with the fastest private sector job growth in 2010-2011 were:
      • Chenango (+8.0%)
      • Schuyler (+4.8%)
      • Chemung (+2.2%)
      • All three counties grew faster than the state (+2.0%) and nation (+1.8%) in 2011. *
      Job losses were centered in natural resources, mining and construction (-800), leisure and hospitality (-700)
      The Southern Tier’s higher education system is a key contributor to the region’s economic success.

      • Tom Shepstone
        Posted at 7:22 am, January 05, 2013 Reply

        Look at the longer haul. This is simply the State trying to put a pretty face on a disastrous situation and a slight recovery from a recession. Tourism isn’t getting it done by the way. The numbers do indicate that. Look at school enrollments, population, etc.

      • Tom Shepstone
        Posted at 8:33 am, January 05, 2013 Reply

        I knew there was something wrong with your data as soon as I saw it, Fred. I went back and checked the source at: and noticed a couple of things. First, there is a lot more recent data than 2011. It’s available through November, 2012, which, by the way, showed 289,200 folks employed in the Southern Tier, slightly below last year’s average of 289,300 but above last year’s November figure of 287,500. Secondly, I noticed the state only quotes private employment, which is not total employment, although it’s clearly most important. Thirdly, I looked at the long-term to see if my supposition that recent increases were only slight recoveries was correct. It was. Check out this table:

        I assembled it to show annual average total employment from 1990 through 2011 and also included a trend line (in blue). You can see for yourself what’s happened. Total employment in the Southern Tier is down 21,800 since 2011 or 7% for the decade. The unemployment rate went from 4.4% to 8.0% over the same period. So much for the great improvement!

        • fred jones
          Posted at 9:10 am, January 07, 2013 Reply

          Tom…….the date I saw was Sept. 2012. (Excerpted from the September 2012 issue of the Employment in New York State newsletter)

          More than three years after the official end of the “Great Recession” in the U.S., the Southern Tier’s economy continues to slowly recover from the lingering effects of the downturn. From 2010 to 2011, the overall private sector job count in the Southern Tier (Broome, Chemung, Chenango, Delaware, Schuyler, Steuben, Tioga and Tompkins counties) increased by nearly 1,200, or 0.6%, to just under 210,000. The three counties in the region with the fastest private sector job growth in 2010-2011 were:

          Chenango (+8.0%)
          Schuyler (+4.8%)
          Chemung (+2.2%)

          Just for your records.

          • Tom Shepstone
            Posted at 9:18 am, January 07, 2013

            Yes, but it’s 2010-2011 data.

    • Tom Shepstone
      Posted at 7:19 am, January 05, 2013 Reply

      This is ludicrous. Western New York and the Southern Tier are in the process of dying. Your examples, all anecdotal in nature, conflict with the facts. You see what you want to see because you’ve already made it, Fred.

      • fred jones
        Posted at 9:14 am, January 07, 2013 Reply

        Tom…….can you guarantee me or any other ST resident, NG will save it from certain death? Don’t tell me “in life there are no guarantees”. Can you tell me of any ST resident, how much NG there is in the ST? Without producing wells, you cannot. Test wells are…….test wells. They can only marginally predict a deposit, they cannot predict in certainty, the flow rate. Give me some solid numbers I can believe.

        • Tom Shepstone
          Posted at 9:21 am, January 07, 2013 Reply

          Of course, it depends on testing! But, we know from what testing has been done nearby that the Deposit area is likely to very good. As for guarantees, that isn’t how wealth is created or lives are improved. It’s about taking educated risks, but, you know that and you’re only trying to create a scenario that augurs for fighting change.

          • fred jones
            Posted at 10:17 am, January 07, 2013

            Do you have those Deposit numbers Tom? I’m curious to see them. I’ll look in the meantime. “Likely’ means what in NG speak? I do know that even test wells run in the millions of dollars in cost, so I would hope a test well would show some good numbers, but even then, you can’t predict the rate of decline on a particular well, or can you? It all sounds dicey Tom…..and NG companies operate on a very thin margin these days, that I do know, so you would expect some great numbers from wildcat wells, for a NG company to proceed. Just saying 🙂

          • Tom Shepstone
            Posted at 10:31 am, January 07, 2013

            I do not, at least not at my fingertips. But if you search some of Terry Engelder’s presentations you’ll find tons of data and he’s getting more optimistic not less and he’s a pretty skeptical guy, scientifically speaking.

          • fred jones
            Posted at 11:06 am, January 07, 2013

            Would love to get my hands on the industries numbers on those test wells. If you find any, you can email me directly. Thanks.

          • Vera Scroggins
            Posted at 5:49 pm, January 08, 2013

            Just look on the DEP site and look up production info and see the production levels for
            any number of wells in PA. or our county and will see the significant drops in production
            and royalties within five years;

            it’s short-term production and long-term negative environmental and health impacts…

            not worth it, unless you’re bent on moving…..

          • Tom Shepstone
            Posted at 8:50 pm, January 08, 2013

            Engelder notes the decline curve in the Marcerllus is much BETTER than expected, Vera. Sorry…

    • Vera Scroggins
      Posted at 7:24 am, January 05, 2013 Reply

      I couldn’t have said it better ; Thanks, Mr. Jones….

    • Dana K.
      Posted at 8:28 am, January 05, 2013 Reply

      It is hard to believe your numbers. I live in Steuben County. Our area has lost 3 major employers in the last couple of months. You make it sound like we are in a booming community so everyone should just sit back and enjoy. Reality is that our taxes are going up faster then our incomes, so the landowners have to do something. What do you suggest they do? Let the best chance that we probably will see in our lifetimes go by. I have been following this as close as anyone for the last 5 years and know that these landowners can and will protect their own land without the help of you or Vera. It all comes down to who owns land and who doesn’t. Take a drive from Steuben County to Broome County. See how many empty buildings you see. Tell me if that’s the booming business that you are talking about.

      • Tom Shepstone
        Posted at 8:35 am, January 05, 2013 Reply

        Don’t believe them. They are cherry-picked to make it look like something marvelous has happened when it’s only a tiny blip on the screen. See: and my latest response to Fred.

        • Vera Scroggins
          Posted at 8:57 am, January 05, 2013 Reply

          And your projections, Tom, and dreams are just a “blip on the screen”….

          • Tom Shepstone
            Posted at 9:21 am, January 05, 2013

            They are not projections – they are the official record, Vera.

      • Vera Scroggins
        Posted at 8:56 am, January 05, 2013 Reply

        yes, and drive through our Susquehanna County and see the empty buildings, store fronts in Montrose, South Montrose, elsewhere.

        and this is Boom Town, Pa. and all the houses that can’t and don’t sell .

        • Tom Shepstone
          Posted at 9:20 am, January 05, 2013 Reply

          No one who has seen believes you, Vera. See:

          • Loren Salsman
            Posted at 3:02 pm, January 05, 2013

            Great link, Tom. Thanks for sharing. By the way, those empty store fronts in South Montrose will soon be major construction projects creating more jobs for our community.

      • fred jones
        Posted at 9:07 am, January 07, 2013 Reply

        Look folks……..I live in this part of the state. I guess you can take what I said two ways…….and these are NOT MY numbers. Thanks Tom for the update. I could not find a newer report and would have used it if I did. I did “cherry pick” as you suggested, but then again EID knows cherry picking works, so let’s not fall all over ourselves here gang (and Tom). And I’m not saying NG will not help the ST…….maybe it will, but that depends on the NG companies. Not EID, not good folks like Dana K……nope. It’s up the drillers. Just because you signed a lease does not guarantee they will pick your property to drill. And as you can see, NYS as a whole is not dying, maybe the ST is, I don’t know, but lets stop hinging our future on something that might or might not happen. That’s all I’m saying. What if (Tom hates the what ifs) what if they do come in and drill……OK……and very little gas is found. Then what, do we roll over and die? Ask some of the hard working folks in the ST. They’re tell you NO…..we go on, we create, we put our money to work, like they are doing NOW. Who or what are you folks wishing NG saves them, going to do if it doesn’t pan out? By the sound of it and EID’s dire warnings… might as well move to……the Dakota’s……lots of work and opportunity there. Or stay here and work for a better ST. This MIGHT be your choice, like it or not.

  • Victor Furman
    Posted at 11:53 am, January 05, 2013 Reply

    Vera You need to go to a Lauph meditation seminar…. you sound depressed and It’s probably from writing so much nonsense about doom and gloom as you spread you fear mongering tactis throughout the area…. Hey can you tell me why Matt Ryan and the rest of the anti crowd was tossed into the parking lot at the premire of “Promise Land” in Binghmamton?

    • Vera Scroggins
      Posted at 8:44 pm, January 05, 2013 Reply

      Mayor Matt and others and media were asked to leave from theatre because manager said that they did not give permission for press conference there and they wanted everyone off the property.

      • Victor Furman
        Posted at 10:20 pm, January 05, 2013 Reply

        I wasn’t there Vera at that time but when I went to see “Promise to Disappoint ya” today
        I asked the theatre people what transpired with Ryan & Hang and was told that they got loud and beligerent when they were asked to keep it down as their were other movies being shown in the multi-plex theater and the commotion was bothering the people who were their for the entertainment of a movie not the shenanagins of NYRAD. they got objectionable & Louder and therefore were evicted to the sidewalk.

        • Vera Scroggins
          Posted at 8:20 am, January 06, 2013 Reply

          of course, Vic, you always find out something different than I and others may know and it always, is something to make us look bad; that’s not my experience and I was there.

          • Tom Shepstone
            Posted at 10:59 am, January 06, 2013

            We’ve all been to Dimock, Vera, and we know the truth, the same truth as the EPA had to learn the hard way.

          • Vera Scroggins
            Posted at 11:17 am, January 06, 2013

            You show the “truth” that the gas companies want to promote and I show the truth that the gas companies want to keep hidden from the public. The Gas Companies don’t show what I show in our communities

          • Tom Shepstone
            Posted at 11:21 am, January 06, 2013

            Oh, please. Your comments get more irrational with each new one, Vera.

  • Paul Roden
    Posted at 12:44 pm, January 05, 2013 Reply

    What happens after the wells are spent? What happens to the contaminated land and watersheds? What happens to your property when you can’t sell it because your water supply or well is contaminated? Where is all of this waste water going to be stored? Who is going to pay for that? You can’t filter, distill or chemically treat the fracked water. I live downstream from the Marcellus Shale drilling region in bot NY and PA. What happens in a drought? I don’t want my drinking water contaminated or rationed because of the greed of gas drillers who only care about their profits, not the environment and public health. We don’t need this gas for our energy needs. Read the Nov. 2009 issue of Scientific American. Jacobson and Delucchi have a plan to transition the world to renewable energy by 2030 without fossil or nuclear energy. Germany will be 80% renewable by 2016 while shutting down their nuclear power plants. If Germany can do it we can do it. Germany is growing economically all the while cutting its energy consumption with existing technology. What is in the way is the corruption of our elected politicians by the gas industry and the brain washing of the public by the mainstream media.

    • Tom Shepstone
      Posted at 3:32 pm, January 05, 2013 Reply

      Germany is building coal plants by the dozens. You need to check your facts.

      • Paul Roden
        Posted at 4:14 pm, January 05, 2013 Reply


        You need to check your facts also. Fracking is not safe. If fracking is so safe, why are the fracking fluid companies and drillers exempt from the Clean Water, Safe Drinking Water, and Superfund Act Federal laws? Why are certain chemicals “propriety” and don’t have to be disclosed to the public under the “Hallaburton Loophole”? And now you want to drill and frack in the rest of the Delaware Water Shed. The more drilling the more accidents and leaks. NOAA just released a study that extracting and piping the gas will result in leaking of methane of up 9% during the extraction and shipping via pipelines and compressors. Methane is 25 times more impactful than CO2 on global warming. This extraction method and use is totally unnecessary for our energy needs. It is not worth the risk to our water supply or for global climate change. Only the gas drillers, piping companies, and lease holders will profit. But what about the millions of people and their drinking supply? Where is all of this water going to come from? Where will it be stored? In deep injection wells? Spread as de-icing on state roads as it is being done by DER authorization in PA as “beneficial use? Fracking is as safe as using cyanide and good old DDT. Visit or talk to people in Dimock, PA or Dish, Texas. The well casings going through the well bores may be three levels thick. But ask any hydrologist how long will they last? A 100 years at best. Then what happens? Who is going to pay for the monitoring of these spent wells? The gas drillers? I don’t think so. We the taxpayers in PA and/or NY will be stuck with the monitoring and clean up as we have with timber, coal, and oil extraction. What about the radioactive radon in the gas being piped to the consumers? Who is measuring and monitoring that? Where are all the drill cuttings going to be stored with the NORM, normally occurring radioactive material? Once you mix the volatile organic compounds (VOC’s) which are in the fracking fluid, you can never separate them out, ask any organic chemist. It forms an anisotropic mixture that can’t be separated by distillation, filtration or chemical means. And we are talking about billions of gallons of wastes: “flow back”, “produced water” etc. The drillers are not going to pay for this. It cuts into their profits. Deep injection wells have caused earthquakes. Read the New York Times series on fracking or the Those are the sources of my facts.

        • Tom Shepstone
          Posted at 7:07 pm, January 05, 2013 Reply

          We have addressed each and every one of these baseless assertions. Try searching “radon” on our site, for example.

      • Remy Martin
        Posted at 5:38 pm, January 05, 2013 Reply

        Tom, the Germans also import natural gas to supplement energy needs. Funny how Paul Roden didn’t mention that.

    • TonyC
      Posted at 3:51 am, January 07, 2013 Reply

      Paul Roden.

      What was the title of this article again? …..Thirty Days of Silliness and Scare from the Natural Gas Opposition…..with your comment better make that “Thirty Plus Days (and counting)

      Where is your evidence for any of your what-if scaremongering assertions? What if a comet hits the earth next Monday? What if swamp monsters arise and stalk the land? Keep on burbling.

  • JameSmace
    Posted at 4:50 pm, January 05, 2013 Reply

    What part of “Fracking has never killed anyone or anything” do the anti’s not understand.

    Hey Anti’s – go make a movie about windmills that have killed hundreds of people and millions of migratory birds.

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