My Neighbor … and the Natural Gas Divide
My neighbor….
Together we stood, when snows fell so heavy, and then we would work together to remove that heavy white stuff. We then relaxed over hot chocolate, sometimes sharing a glass of ginger brandy. We were friends! Together, we faced the challenges of raising children, as our children became best friends who would skin their knees in the fields and fall from trees in the forest, we would wipe the abrasions clean, and provide them with comfort, we were friends! We were good friends, until natural gas came onto the horizon.
My neighbor and I faced many challenges and overcame many obstacles together as neighbors often do because we were friends! I also thought I knew my neighbor, precisely because we were friends!
Then, something happened to my neighbor when natural gas became available in our area. It was as if night overtook day and the light of our friendship was darkened by the potential extraction of the natural gas under our homes.
Where we once stood together, we now became divided, but not by a rig, a natural gas well, a pipeline or any of those physical features that often become fences between neighbors. No, we were divided by truth and science, divided by fact and fiction. Normally, that would not end a friendship, but it did in our case! I look back at the debate today and it’s right there in front of me, every argument and every debate available on Google search conquers all the mis-information. Recent headlines from major news services tell the story:
“EPA: Pa. village’s water not polluted by gas fracking” – USA Today
“No ‘significant health threats’ found in Fort Worth air quality” – Fort Worth Star-Telegram
“Shale gas is shaving bills” – Philadelphia Inquirer
“EPA Administrator Says Fracking Can be Safe” – International Business Times
“Natural gas drilling leases saving farms” – Scranton Times-Tribune
“U.S. study sees little earthquake risk from fracking” – Chicago Tribune
“Gas boom leads to opportunities for female construction workers” – Wilkes-Barre Citizens Voice
“Study: Fracturing no threat to groundwater” – Houston Chronicle
“Hydraulic fracturing is safe, key to energy goals” – Denver Post
“Natural gas drilling creates spinoff jobs in wildlife, software” – Associated Press
It seems as if every single one of the fears my neighbor bought into are just that, fears and not reality, plus he willingly blinds himself to the good news. Yet, even with the science, my neighbor chooses to believe in the brown water jug and I think I know why. After observing my 5 year old grandson watching TV, I realized he was more interested in watching cartoons than the local news!

Julie and Craig Sautner and Their Brown Jug
Perhaps my neighbor should quit looking at the brown water jug and look into the litigants using the jug as a prop for their cartoon act. “Litigants,” of course, is the operative word that explains the motivation behind the cartoon! Still, it is the cartoon that attracts the attention, the cartoon that captures the imagination and the cartoon that gathers support … until reality eventually interjects itself into the equation. My neighbor isn’t there yet, but he’ll get there eventually. After all, you can only visit fantasy land for so long before the truth starts to call you home. Here’s hoping, because I’d like my neighbor back.
Tom Frost
Posted at 12:52h, 23 JuneThen why do these brown-juggers (together with CLEAR-juggers that your buddy Cabot hates for ANOTHER reason, as in the case of MY canteen with its label “Southwestern Energy leasehold water – still the best!”) get censored at Cabot picnics?
Thank you for leading me to this link http://www.evesun.com/printedition/pdfs/2011-02-28.pdf which enables me to rest my case that the “antis”, on the other hand, DON’T censor the jugs that THEIR opponents bring.
Tom Shepstone
Posted at 14:33h, 23 JuneTom, you’re impossible, but I always get a laugh out of your posts. Thanks for following us. Love your Southwsstern advocacy, too, by the way. You’ll never get us to criticize that great company, as much as you seem determined to try!
Bubba
Posted at 17:13h, 23 JuneMaybe after the bugs bunny show is over you can write I comment I can follow
susan dorsey
Posted at 13:04h, 23 Juneits a beautiful day in the neighborhood!
Tom Shepstone
Posted at 14:34h, 23 JuneWhat a great comment, Susan! It sure is!
Carol Pipkin
Posted at 22:01h, 23 JuneVic, maybe the real reason you neighbor isn’t talking to you is because you are so eager to cash in, so eager to exercise “your property rights,” that you haven’t stopped to consider what your neighbor has to contend with. Read this
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/us/an-energy-boom-in-western-pennsylvania.html?_r=1&hp
and mayber you will get a glimmer of an idea .
Tom Shepstone
Posted at 22:50h, 23 JuneVic can respond for himself but it seems to his neighbor has a burden of proof to demonstrate he’d be harmed, one that hasn’t been met. Property rights cannot be subject’s to your neighbor’s irrational fears.
Carol Pipkin
Posted at 23:03h, 23 JuneThere is nothing irrational about the industrialization of a rural community. And if NYS decides that Vic has the right to destroy his neighbors’ community, Vic will make a lot of money….but he will never get back any of the friends that suffer the consequences of his
greed. He’d just better hope that his money will buy him new friends.
Tom Shepstone
Posted at 05:50h, 24 June“Industrialization” is the anti-natural gas folks’ term for someone being able to make a living and whenever I hear it or see it, I know the debate has shifted from facts to an emotional tug of war over whether or not an area will remain one of pastoral poverty that serves only the interests of those who don’t have to make a living.
Victor Furman
Posted at 00:19h, 25 June“Greed “as in lets sue Cabot even though they more the paid double then the homes are worth. “Greed” as in Julies blog on a different story here where she brags about the money she is making? It may be greed for some but not for me Carolyn, this is what you have, accusations without content, fictions and half truths.
Bubba
Posted at 22:26h, 25 Junesaw the 4-sale signs on carter road…5,000,000.00 a true picture of their real greed even if they are jesting….the thought is all revealing…
VillagePeople
Posted at 19:46h, 26 JuneBubba,
So many questions,How many acres? Is it zoned residential, farming or commercial.
Does the area need another quick mart or dollar store? Is it zoned for strip mining? Speaking of strip would a strip joint do well?Does it have gravel pit potential?How about Blue stone. Any old growth timber? Would you say it has valuable top soil. Could it be leased for deer,turkey bear hunting all separate leases of course. How about hay fields?
How many potential camp sites can be put on it? Does it have a large pond I can sell the water out of. Could it be leased for a paintball park? Not during hunting season so I would not get the full use. If timbered for old growth lumber would there be enough small trees to set up a ropes course and zip line?
Is it leased? If so does it have a well? How many wells.If it does what is the royalty rate? Is it in a lawsuit?Does it have a distroyed viewscape? Does it have an old junk yard or tannery,dump anything that can be used to blame a NG company for ruining the water near it? It could have fracking “commercial value”. If not does it have the potential to attract NYRAD,Frack Action or other nuts extortion nuts to help conjure up a lawsuit? Need to calculate the full potential.. 5 Mil might not be a bad price.
Bubba
Posted at 09:42h, 27 Junein short It’s the Sautmers home
VillagePeople
Posted at 23:45h, 27 JuneWhat Sauntners!.. That has no value? They have natural crappy water and signed a poor lease without thinking!
They have that whole envy buyers remorse thing going on. And locals toss garbage on their lawn in protest.
WAIT! WAIT JUST ONE MOMENT, YES! THAT’S IT!…It could be a draw like the giant ball of yarn!….I CAN SEE IT! “The birth place of frack fear and fraud”!!
It might be what the Cardiff giant is to the Cooperstown Farmers museum!
Victor Furman
Posted at 10:58h, 24 JuneCarol Pipkin
Re read the blog it clearly states why neighbor”s are at disagreement and why.
While some people choose to let Hollywood control their daily thoughts and fantasies, others are more learned and have achieved the knowledge to decide or take position through self education relying on the facts given us by geologist, hydrologist, state authority and overall science.
We trust the fore mentioned much more then a NYC activist named Josh Fox with no education or experience in the Oil & Gas industry. Mr. Fox a man who degrades women with his pornographic films like “Memorial Day” shows his theatrics education once again with “The Sky Is Pink” and is very effective in making landowners the subject of his porno set mind” degrading us as landowners much in the same way he degrades women in his pornographic productions.
Well Carol Pipkin, We are not actors in Josh Fox’s movie to be urinated on as in “Memorial Day” or in the case of Gasland and the new movie “The Sky is Pink,” to be defecated upon. we are farmers and landowners who have always taken care of our land and cared for it from nurturing the seed to the soil to protecting it’s waters when city people come to our land at night, to dump their construction trash in our creeks and hey fields because Matt Ryan adds a tipping fee for their trash and they want to save 3 dollars.
We don’t buy into the Josh Fox fear mongering… in fact Farmers have been relying on science for quite sometime using technology to measure acidity and ph levels in soil, to test our streams and water feeds that water our livestock, to studying the Bore ash beetle and acid rain from coal to protect our forest. We care about our land much more then the folks who drive up from the city to look at deer in the fields while throwing their McDonald’s trash along our dirt roads, or their lit cigarette butts into our hayfield and woods sometimes burning down our barns and forest.
Over and over again I have heard how the land will be deforested and you will lose you view scape should I allow drilling on my land and that is the truth of your fears Carol Pipkin. Not water pollution, not air pollution, gas is much cleaner then coal, but your view-scape. even that is something you need not worry about…. A hole drilled on my land will not be visible from the road let alone from Down Town Binghamton so rest easy as NY begins drilling soon and leave the science and technology to the experts and let Josh Fox continue with his fictions and porno movies.
Carol Pipkin
Posted at 16:26h, 24 JuneVictor, common sense says that if it takes 1000 trucks to frack a well that those people who live on the road that the truck pass going to and from the well, will suffer noise and air pollution. Those living in the vicinity of the compressors will also hear the constant hum of the compressors and the lights that are on 24/7 will block out any night sky that one is used to enjoying here in the country. That’s not fear mongering and if you are unable to see the consequences, then you are in for a very big surprise.
Tom Shepstone
Posted at 18:43h, 24 JuneDo you understand the word “temporary”?
Carol Pipkin
Posted at 22:22h, 25 JuneYes, Tom, I understand that the fracking is done between April and October. I guess that is temporary in your mind. So it’s only from April to October that I can’t leave my windows open, sit outside by the pond or take long walks. That’s a relief.
Tom Shepstone
Posted at 06:26h, 26 JuneObviously, you do not know.
Bryant La Tourette
Posted at 18:33h, 25 JuneMaybe they will site a major hub airport close to your home.
How do you think that noise and road travel will be?
Again Carolyn/any one! Please give us the answer to solving our energy and job issues with non government money and no impact.
Every time I ask this question I get the Cricket Cricket from these zealots.
Carolyn
Posted at 11:14h, 24 JuneI suppose that the McMickens, Spencers and Phillips’ are also lying about the contamination the industry did to their water or maybe Chesapeake just decided to pay them $1.6 million to be a good neighbor. I know they certainly like to throw money around just look at how much they let McLendon have. What will it take for you change your illusionist views and face reality.? One of your family members to be faced with water contamination? Their will be enough people that will eventually speak the whole truth, not just your half-truths. The walls of the gas industry’s half-truths are starting to crumble.
http://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2012/06/21/chesapeake-to-pay-1-6-million-for-contaminating-water-wells-in-bradford-county/
Bryant La Tourette
Posted at 14:25h, 24 JuneCarolyn,
The science and facts are on the table. But you are missing a bigger picture. No industry is perfect. Our country has chased opportunities over seas that have little regulation and you support them. Made is USA is what supported you at one time. This month another wave of youth will hit the market place for work.
US development of Natural Gas and Oil has been the largest factor in new jobs for all ages.
REAL Revenue generating Jobs.
Please explain what your plan would be to generate jobs and wealth that have no impact to anything and is not government funded?
It would be great to include this in the update to folks receiving unemployment.
The only job growth here in NY requires our youth to cross the dotted line to PA.
Pennsylvanians love you!
A wealthy society is a healthy society. Poverty creates sickness and more poverty.
I have yet to see any ideas put on the table that even comes close to all the positive impacts of harvesting natural gas here in America under the strictest guidelines in the world.
You seem to be fine with using petroleum product from countries that would love nothing more then to see America collapse.
Maybe you have no children?
Maybe you have a pension that shelters you from reality?
Something has to support the entitlement system and soon. If this inflated balloon of entitlement finds a pin , that utopia vision you have will be darker then your worst nightmare! Something Steven King and the fear and smear media couldn’t even dream up.
People can point the finger at you. You and people like you need to understand everything has impact! You are the greedy one . If America can become energy independent and create wealth again the true entrepreneurial spirit will be funded and your “utopia” may become more real then further away.
Bubba
Posted at 19:38h, 24 JuneSocial Security to be busted by 2016
Victor Furman
Posted at 12:59h, 24 JuneCarolyn.
Again read the facts not just the accusations. Chesapeake stated from your post and pre-drill testing “The statement goes on to say that the pre-drill testing done in other area homes showed methane contamination before any drilling activity took place.”
What about these people who sacrificed their homes and lifestyle so you can flip a switch for lights, or adjust your thermostat for comfort. If you took all the victims of coal energy and lined them up with the victims of gas extraction due to drilling it would be like dropping a thimble of fresh water into the ocean and then trying to find that very thimble of water again the next day… Please Carolyn, tell me why we should continue killing thousands of Americans every year whose lives could be saved should we convert as much energy as we could to Natural Gas. NO ENERGY IS CLEAN ENERGY but some ar mush less costly environmentally then others. look at these links and answer me BUT PLEASE… do not give me the BS answer why should we substitute one for another when Gas is proven to be the better choice.
http://earthjustice.org/our_work/campaigns/coal-ash-contaminates-our-lives
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/energy-a-environment/226511-rep-mckinley-we-live-here-with-the-coal-ash
As constituents living in Congressman David McKinley’s district, we’d like to make ourselves clear: jobs are important, and Congress needs to do all it can to help Americans get back to work. However, the need for jobs does not mean that power companies should put arsenic and other toxins from coal ash and scrubber sludge into our rivers, streams, and drinking water supplies. Polluters that donate to politicians’ campaigns should not get a free pass to pollute; and the Transportation Bill should be about creating American jobs, not poisoning American communities.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/30/tennessee-coal-ash-spill_n_154298.html
A MUST WATCH VIDEO – COAL
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sandra-diaz/canoeing-into-tennessee-c_b_155372.html
Yes Carolyn there will be accidents in any man made venture and we must be vigilant in our regulations and heavy with the hands of justice should an avoidance be compromised by greed or profit when protecting the environment. At the same time we can not be blind to the better energy choices that are before us as we move into the future of tomorrow and 100 years from tomorrow. The days of the horse and buggy and candle light bible readings around the family fireplace have given way to the worlds thirst for energy and technology and to go backwards is not an option.