Marcellus Shale

Why Is New York Rejecting Pennsylvania Shale Gas Prosperity?

Kimberly More
Otego, New York, Farmer and Landowner 

It has been almost five years since natural gas exploration involving high volume hydraulic fracturing in New York was put on hold.  Meanwhile, Pennsylvania has remained open for business. Since that time, natural gas development in Pennsylvania has created thousands of jobs, and millions of dollars paid in leases, royalties and other income to the people of Pennsylvania.  New York’s “leaders” have, in contrast, continued to drive businesses and residents out of the Empire State.

We are finally at a point, with the DEC finishing the SGEIS, where natural gas development can potentially resume in New York.  We, at long last, see an opportunity to reap the benefits Pennsylvania, and now Ohio, are enjoying. But, then along come a few wealthy, anti-everything individuals within certain towns in New York who are threatening to make it so difficult gas companies may decide not come to the state at all.

The Park Foundation in Ithaca/Dryden and the Clark Foundation in Cooperstown/Middlefield are trying to push bans and moratoriums throughout New York.  Allowing town board members to take over the regulation and planning of natural gas development, will effectively drive natural gas development out of New York along with existing businesses while preventing other businesses from locating here.

No natural gas company is going to invest  in New York, when the town boards can flip-flop every couple of years as to whether or not they want to “allow” natural gas drilling. There are such obvious intergovernmental conflicts between municipalities, and even counties, regarding the development of natural gas that it cannot be left to the local governments.  We simply can’t have a single town within a given natural gas field preventing its development by telling companies they cannot drive trucks of water, pipes, and equipment through that jurisdiction, or stop the development of pipelines at its border, as some towns have attempted.  It is simply not feasible, let alone efficient.  It is, in fact, an absurd concept.

The landowners of every town have property rights, including the right to develop their minerals and resources. When the DEC and EPA state that natural gas can be developed safely, than how can a couple of people on a town board tell the tax-paying property owners that they are not allowed to develop their land? If it wasn’t safe, then it shouldn’t be done anywhere, but if it is deemed safe, than it should be allowed to be developed wherever the state, natural gas companies, and landowners can develop it.  Natural gas doesn’t follow property lines and it’s not restricted to small areas like other forms of mining.

When the anti-prosperity people of Cooperstown, who have made their money elsewhere and re-located here to their third-home estates, want to tell the fourth generation farmers they can’t develop their land because it goes against their “vision” of what they think the area should “look” like, there is a big problem.

Now that the EPA has tested the water wells in Pennsylvania and said that there is no contamination, they have lost a key battle, so they have called in the “preservation league” – to preserve the poverty of New York. It is shameful the hard working people who have protected their land for generations, and who are the true environmentalists,  are denied the opportunity to develop a clean burning resource from their land.

Chip Northrup and friends are prime examples of this NIMBY group. They have all stated they don’t care where their energy comes from, as long as it is not from here, because it creates “dirty” jobs!   One local doctor even told me he “is perfectly happy paying for his fuel to come from half way around the world, as long as it doesn’t disrupt his environment!” Well, it’s fine to have an opinion, even if it makes no sense, but we need those jobs!! And they are not, in fact, dirty.

"Clean Air" Advocate at SGEIS Hearing with Cigarette in Hand

Now that gasoline and diesel are over $4 and $5 a gallon, the farmers who lost almost everything in the flooding last year could lose anything they have left.  At this point, some can’t even afford to plow their fields, but our doctor friend can sit on his porch next to a “No Drill” sign propped against his propane tank for the fuel that he heats and cooks with, without having any traffic on the road, because everyone has left for jobs in Pennsylvania and Ohio.  This hypocrisy reminds me so much of what we saw at the SGEIS hearing in Binghamton as a prominent opponent of natural gas marched for “clean air” while enjoying a cigarette. You literally can’t make this stuff up.

I hope Governor Cuomo understands individual towns cannot be left to decide the fate of natural gas development in New York, or New York will be a ghost state!  We need the state to step-up to the plate and take control of the regulation and development of natural gas. Our farmers can’t make it through another summer with excessive expenses and no hope for their economic future.  I say, “Governor Cuomo, please don’t reject prosperity!  Please don’t reject our future!

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15 Comments
  • Vito Randazzo
    Posted at 18:38h, 02 May Reply

    Good write up. New York is really getting bad, between that and property taxes no real prospect for businesses. It really looks like the elitist will have the entire state to themselves. I just hope when they own it they have to pay for it all.

    The tax cap is a joke with the governors statement on who we had the smallest increases in decades. What the governor fails to realize is we need property reversals and reforms. In his statement about the tax cap the work increase was present as it always is. Its to bad people who work all their lives now have to wonder where they are moving to.

    I think maybe the coallitions should bring lawsuits to the parks foundations and the others for denying our state constitutional right to harvest our minerals. Afterall their lawyers are just out of school maybe somewhere there is a experience lawyer who could tear them apart and make them pay for our missed fortune.

  • Jim robbins
    Posted at 20:04h, 02 May Reply

    Very well stated. New York state has become the East Germany of the US. Across the border they prosper.

  • Vitro Furmano
    Posted at 20:12h, 02 May Reply

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    Postby greedylandowner111 » Wed May 02, 2012 12:59 pm
    You, Me, Anyone of us who ever attended any meeting where you had to walk past a crowd of smokers, or worse yet stand in line with them at a hearing like the ones at the Binghamton Forum with both the EPA and DEC. Source listed at end but here are some facts!

    There are over 4,000 chemicals in cigarettes. 51 of them are known to be carcinogenic. A carcinogen is something that causes cancer. Cancer is a disease that often kills those who have it. There are many types of cancer: breast, lung, larynx, stomach, prostrate, kidney, leukemia (cancer of the blood), etc. In all kinds of cancer, the cells keep dividing and forming new, abnormal cells. These cells are not normal or healthy.
    SMOKING IS RAMPANT AMONGST THE ANTI CROWD AS WE ALL WHO WALKED THROUGH THEIR RANKS KNOW!

    Chemicals in cigarettes and cigarette smoke are known to cause not only cancer but also other serious health problems. Many of the chemicals are poisonous. If a person ate one pack of cigarettes, he/she would die.

    Familiar Chemicals in Cigarettes
    Chemical
    Found in:

    carbon monoxide
    car exhaust

    nicotine
    bug sprays

    tar
    material to make roads

    arsenic
    rat poison

    ammonia
    cleaning products

    hydrogen cyanide
    gas chamber poison

    cyanide
    deadly poison

    acetone
    nail polish remover

    butane
    cigarette lighter fluid

    DDT
    insecticides

    formaldehyde
    to preserve dead bodies

    sulfuric acid
    car batteries

    cadmium
    used to recharge batteries

    freon
    damages earth’s ozone layer

    geranic acid
    a fragrance

    methoprene
    a pesticide

    maltitol
    a sweetener not permitted to be used in foods in the U.S.

    Sources: Dr. Joel Dunnington, Tobacco Almanac, Revised, May 1993.

    Three of the most widely known chemicals are nicotine, tar, and carbon monoxide. Nicotine is a strong poisonous drug. It is the main ingredient in insecticides or bug sprays. In its pure form, just one drop on a person’s tongue would kill him/her.

    Tar is the oily material which remains after tobacco passes through the filter. When a smoker inhales, a lot of the tar sticks to and blackens the lungs.

    Carbon monoxide is a poisonous gas READ THE ENTIRE ARTICLE HERE

    http://healthliteracy.worlded.org/docs/ … ts_in.html

    WHERE ARE THE NIMBYS ABOUT AND ON THIS ISSUE… OHHH YA… THERE OUTSIDE HAVING A SMOKE!

    • Bill Ferullo
      Posted at 10:38h, 03 May Reply

      Your comparison is far from real .I have stood and watched then pump 40 pallets of approx. 400 gallons of chemical into the ground on one frac job alone .Plus all the silica dust which spread for a least a mile for days .6 wells on each pad equals 150,000 gallons of chemical per square mile .Mile after mile (units are connected one next to the other) .Even though the cigarettes smoke is bad it has absolutely NO comparison to Nat gas drilling /fracing .I live among this every day !Thank God NY is smart enough to challenge this process…..!

      • Tom
        Posted at 05:15h, 04 May Reply

        You are flailing, Bill, throwing numbers and examples around that have no connection to each other and no rational behind them. You’ll have to do a lot better than that, especially with your math.

  • Bryant La Tourette
    Posted at 01:51h, 03 May Reply

    Great Article Kim!

    Whats Changed in Upstate since the moratorium.

    Just a few examples:

    Communities are divided and the gap grows wider everyday.

    NY answer, Push Tourism..Ya that’s the answer?

    A Mother of three was working at Norse Energy. NY put the kabosh on Drilling the company had to make cuts. She had a $45,000 a year job digging herself out of dept.
    Now she works two jobs in the tourism field serving the tourist in restaurants.
    Who raises the kids?

    Health issues are getting worse in upstate NY. Those who cannot afford to go to the doctor and are too proud for handouts working the average pay-scale job of $8.00 an hour.They are the silent victims.

    Many small manufacturers call a full week a 3 or 4 day shared work program.

    Upstate NY newest opportunities:

    Today’s new young entrepreneur farmer. Pot farming on state land or absentee owners land. Growing pot for down state and transient students. A no lose situation for some youth. They sell, they make money living in low income housing. They get busted they don’t need to make money they still get clothed, 3 squares a roof, healthcare and education. In most cases they are better off by going to jail or prison. When they get out they have special subsidized intensives for assistance in job placement.

    Other ways of survival and growth areas/trends:
    Garage sales from those loosing or leaving. “Shopping” for use or resale.
    Tax sale Auctions.” Investment opportunity”
    Salvation army and thrift stores. “Clothes shopping”

    How is it our elected are called “Leaders” ? Who do they lead? Are they not embarrassed to be called representatives? Who do they represent? Public Servants? Who are they serving?

    I am not being sarcastic or negative, just stating the facts. But then facts nowadays mean nothing to our “”Hereditary Monarchy” Leaders, Representatives and Public Servants.

  • Bill Ferullo
    Posted at 10:30h, 03 May Reply

    Because NY is a lot smarter then PA….Don’t think it’s just prosperity !It a lot more then that to those that are aware of the reality it’s causing .

    • Tom
      Posted at 05:16h, 04 May Reply

      I see. Upstate New York is dying, Bill – that’s the reality. Take a drive through Chenango Forks.

  • Victor Furman
    Posted at 11:06h, 03 May Reply

    http://www.greedylandowners.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=616

    these are the socialist that are ripping freedom from the free

  • PaRoughneck
    Posted at 09:44h, 04 May Reply

    Bill F.
    you said that they are injecting some 150,000 gallons of chemicals under each square mile.
    Have you considered that just 1/100 of an inch of rain deposits 271 gallons of rain per acre or 173,000 gallons per square mile?
    That’s the equivalent of THE MORNING DEW! AND it’s being injected well over a mile beneath your feet!
    I dare say that most farmers apply much the same levels of harmful chemicals-pesticides, herbicides, etc ABOVE GROUND, and yet you ignore these potential threats to your water supply? After all, the above ground application of chemicals has a MUCH greater effect upon groundwater than does the injection of the same quantities a mile or more below the surface.
    Where is your outrage against family farms?

    • Joey Barrett
      Posted at 13:17h, 08 May Reply

      Don’t confuse Bill F. with facts. We all know what Bill F. doesn’t want and he won’t share his solution to the problem other than to say no. Bill F. please get your group together and explain how this country can grow, prosper or at the least feed itself without government handouts in a country that needs energy to survive everyday. The answer is not windmills, solar panels, algae fuel or any other small minded grossly expensive solution being proposed by the delusional righteous misinformed. Please Bill F. you have interfered enough that we now need your wisdom and solution to this problem.

  • Kate
    Posted at 04:52h, 07 May Reply

    The problem is, ideologies have replaced reason and logic. Folks like Bill get to enumerate “facts” upon which erroneous conclusions can be drawn. It’s all about truth. Garbage in…garbage out. Kim lays out logical arguments based upon truth. She makes her arguments honestly and concisely. Those that are determined to fight this care little about truth. They care about false ideologies from which they can continue to draw false conclusions. Conclusions which make them feel good about themselves. I’m afraid cognitive dissonance prevents them from seeing the real facts. What we have is rampant, hypocritical narcissism fueled by group think. Justice is the the loser, because justice demands truth, and truth has been abolished.

    • Diane
      Posted at 12:07h, 07 May Reply

      Kate: Thank you….that needed to be said and you did it so well!!

  • Watkins Glen Engineer
    Posted at 20:18h, 08 May Reply

    Kate, you hit it smack dab on the head! Bullseye! The dumbing-down of the populace has given us so many to whom facts and logic are foreign concepts….. “Feelings” control all….. and they are scared of ‘change’….

    I subscribe to the Bill Nojay (radio talk show personality) school of thought about why NY is SO DYSFUNCTIONAL on this issue (we wish it were the ONLY issue, but alas….this IS NY!). Here it is in a nutshell…

    What you’ve got is 9 million NY & Albany ‘liberals’ who control the power in New York (and BTW have ineptly run the state into the ground to the tune of $70 billion!).

    The money that greases Albany has its major source in the Public Employee & Teachers Unions, and Unions generally.

    Those people as a group want to keep Upstate NY as ‘their’ Summer Recreation Park & Wine Bar … and they don’t want any ‘change’ they can’t keep good-control of.

    But the CHANGE that MOST-THREATENS and literally scares the daylights out of the liberal/progressive bunch is for the 8 million ‘upstaters’ (who are ‘conservative’ as a group), to gain the upper-hand on power in Albany. And by putting GAS-REVENUE into the hands of upstate landowners, citizens and business-people, that CHANGE would (and SHOULD!) be the end-result!!

    Why does this scare them so much? Because ‘normal, practical, conservative, land-owner & businessmen-types’ would remove the ‘good ol’ boy’ network that exists now, AND the MYRIAD-ways that the union-supporting folks use to maintain their golden-goodie-collection systems, and ridiculous job-protection systems, and the lower-productivity rate that is so ‘comfortable’ to them. And employ so many people to ship money out to the entitled-rabble.

    And thereby BLEED the rest of us who work to the point we barely-survive!

    Just think about it…. IF NYSDEC’s higher-ups actually WANTED people to drill and prosper, it would NOT take 4 years to ‘create’ regulations for just a bigger version of what has gone-on already for a LONG time! …and go QUICKLY and EFFICIENTLY through this whole EIS-process!

    That is, High-Volume Hydraulic Fracking vs Low-Volume Fracking, by arbitary definition limited to 80,000 gallons (from somewhere back in history; why, anyway?). If NYSDEC actually WANTED things to happen, all they had to do was simply raise or remove that ‘80,000 gallons’ limit! Walla!! …and an economic miracle would be already in-progress!!

    I have advised my two stepdaughters to get OUT of NYS to have any hope for getting their feet on the ground economically….and encouraged them to go to a state where ‘business’ is not so ridiculously-shackled, and a higher-education doesn’t cost as much as a house!

    The ‘business of America’ IS business! And when you shackle your economic-engine, lower your productivity, and generally chase manufacturing away with higher overhead-burdens…. well, high-costs ARE what you GET! Economics 101….

    I am amazed when people point to NYC as such an ‘efficient’ place. Then WHY does it cost so much to do ANYTHING there? That alone is the proof of its dysfunction….

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